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- Subject: Info-Hams Digest V94 #245
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-
-
- Info-Hams Digest Sat, 5 Mar 94 Volume 94 : Issue 245
-
- Today's Topics:
- ARLB022 New South Carolina SM
- ARLB024 ARRL, FCC ink pact
- ARRL Bulletin 23 ARLB023
- first letter
- Further criminalization of scanning
- IMPORTANT - June VHF QSO Party
- JARGON
- QRP expedition
- second letter
-
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-
- Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 14:46:06 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!marcbg@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: ARLB022 New South Carolina SM
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- SB QST @ ARL $ARLB022
- ARLB022 New South Carolina SM
-
- ZCZC AG86
- QST de W1AW
- ARRL Bulletin 22 ARLB022
- >From ARRL Headquarters
- Newington CT March 2, 1994
- To all radio amateurs
-
- SB QST ARL ARLB022
- ARLB022 New South Carolina SM
-
- New South Carolina SM
-
- Michael Epstein, KD1DS, has been named Section Manager of the ARRL
- South Carolina Section. He will complete the term of office of
- Arnold Jordan, WB4BZA, which runs until December 31, 1994.
- NNNN
- /EX
- --
- ================================================
- Marc B. Grant Voice Mail: 214-246-1150
- marcbg@netcom.com Amateur Radio N5MEI
- marcbg@esy.com
- ================================================
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 14:48:52 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!marcbg@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: ARLB024 ARRL, FCC ink pact
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- SB QST @ ARL $ARLB024
- ARLB024 ARRL, FCC ink pact
-
- ZCZC AG88
- QST de W1AW
- ARRL Bulletin 24 ARLB024
- >From ARRL Headquarters
- Newington CT March 3, 1994
- To all radio amateurs
-
- SB QST ARL ARLB024
- ARLB024 ARRL, FCC ink pact
-
- ARRL, FCC ink pact
-
- The ARRL and the Field Operations Bureau (FOB) of the Federal
- Communications Commission have signed a new agreement concerning the
- use of amateur volunteers.
-
- The agreement is a revised and expanded version of one entered into
- in 1984, and spells out the roles of amateurs, as trained and
- registered Official Observers, as well as the role of the FOB. The
- volunteers continue to be known as the ARRL Amateur Auxiliary to the
- Field Operations Bureau (''AA'').
-
- While the new agreement continues to place initial information
- gathering at the local level, ie, in conjunction with regional FOB
- offices, it specifies a more centralized system for presenting
- information to the FOB in cases where enforcement is requested.
- This will be done between the office of the Chief, FOB, and the
- League's Washington office.
-
- The new agreement also adds an FOB agreement to protect the
- identities of Amateur Auxiliary members, to the extent allowed by
- law, when the FCC institutes an enforcement proceeding involving
- information provided by the AA.
-
- The FOB also agrees to assist the ARRL in the training of volunteers
- and in publicizing the objectives and accomplishments of the
- program.
-
- The new agreement became effective February 26, 1994.
- NNNN
- /EX
- --
- ================================================
- Marc B. Grant Voice Mail: 214-246-1150
- marcbg@netcom.com Amateur Radio N5MEI
- marcbg@esy.com
- ================================================
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 14:47:34 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!marcbg@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: ARRL Bulletin 23 ARLB023
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- SB QST @ ARL $ARLB023
- ARLB023 Call sign plan extended
-
- ZCZC AG87
- QST de W1AW
- ARRL Bulletin 23 ARLB023
- >From ARRL Headquarters
- Newington CT March 3, 1994
- To all radio amateurs
-
- SB QST ARL ARLB023
- ARLB023 Call sign plan extended
-
- Call sign plan extended
-
- The FCC has granted an ARRL request to extend the comment deadline
- in its ''vanity'' call sign proposal, in PR Docket 93-305.
-
- The comment deadline was extended to April 21, 1994; the reply
- comment deadline was extended to May 23, 1994.
-
- The Commission's Notice of Proposed Rule Making was released
- December 29, 1993, with an original comment deadline of March 7,
- 1994. The League said more time was needed for response because of
- the importance of the proposal to amateurs and therefore the need to
- ensure fairness in whatever system was adopted.
-
- In granting the League's request the FCC said ''it is desirable that
- the record be as complete as possible and that it reflect the views
- of the amateur community.''
-
- An ARRL ad-hoc committee on this proposal includes Directors Steve
- Mendelsohn, WA2DHF; Frank Butler, W4RH; Tom Comstock, N5TC; John
- Kanode, N4MM; and Brad Wyatt, K6WR. Members should address their
- comments to ''Docket 93-305 Committee,'' and send them to ARRL HQ.
-
- More information on the proposal is in February 1994 QST on pages 9
- and 84-86.
- NNNN
- /EX
- --
- ================================================
- Marc B. Grant Voice Mail: 214-246-1150
- marcbg@netcom.com Amateur Radio N5MEI
- marcbg@esy.com
- ================================================
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 4 Mar 94 03:07:31 GMT
- From: nprdc!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!msuinfo!netnews.upenn.edu!mipg.upenn.edu!yee@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: first letter
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- This is a (hopefully accurate) transcription of the first letter that
- was sent to me. Any typographical errors not noted below are my own.
- These are not my words and are the words of the ARRL. The use of the
- symbol "$" is in lieu of a non printable symbol in the letter.
-
- Conway Yee, N2JWQ/AA
-
- =================== begin letter =================================
-
- January 28, 1994
-
- Mr. Conway Yee N2JWQ
- 2144 East 21 Street
- Brooklyn, NY 11229
-
- Dear Mr. Yee:
-
- This office represents the American Radio Relay League,
- Incorporated. I have been referred an Internet message posted by you
- concerning the publication of a repeater database on line. While the
- League does not wish to be uncooperative, and is in fact supportive of
- volunteer efforts to provide information to radio amateurs, it is
- unfortunately obligated to enforce its copyrights, or lose the ability
- to do so. Your use of the Repeater Directory, and its format, as the
- basis for your on-line database is an infringement of the League's
- copyright. We are compelled to request that you cease any use of it
- in putting together any repeater database.
-
- I understand from your Internet message that you have been
- informed that use of the data from the Repeater Directory is not a
- copyright infringement. I disagree with whatever source you have
- consulted, however. The Repeater Directory is a compilation, as
- defined at 17 U.S.C. $101, and is protected as such by 17 U.S.C. $103.
- Furthermore, your database uses the format of the League's Repeater
- Directory, and by your own admission uses the same coding sequence for
- the characteristics for each repeater. This is a separate basis for
- concerns about copyright infringement.
-
- The enforcement of copyrights is not something in which the
- League wishes to involve itself, and we certainly do not intend to
- deprive anyone of information about repeaters. We are placed,
- however, in a difficult position, to the extent that the League's
- copyright cannot [sic] be enforced selectively. We are therefor
- obligated to request that you immediately stop all use of the Repeater
- Directory as you have commenced to do. We apologise [sic] for having
- to take this position, but must pursue any further publication of your
- database in any form which uses either the compiled data contained in
- the Repeater Directory, or its format.
-
- We hope that this does not cause you significant difficulty, and
- that you understand our position in the matter.
-
- Yours very truly,
-
-
-
-
-
- Christopher D. Imlay, N3AKD
- General Counsel, ARRL
-
- --
- Medical Image Processing Group | Conway Yee, N2JWQ
- 411 Blockley Hall | EMAIL : yee@mipg.upenn.edu
- 418 Service Drive | VOICE : 1 (215) 662-6780
- Philadelphia, PA 19104-6021 (USA) | FAX : 1 (215) 898-9145
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 4 Mar 94 00:21:23 GMT
- From: nprdc!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!news.delphi.com!gilbaronw0mn@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: Further criminalization of scanning
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- >around for a long, long time as used equipment. The effects of the law
- >will be to a) *not* severly restrict the availability of cordless-capable
- >scanners and b) give the public a false sense of security.
- >Rather than thickening the law books, the government should educate the
- >public about what is going on. The public will demand encrypted
- >cordless phones and the manufacturers will deliver. Then the aw is
- >going to do is damage the lives of the very few people who getonfidential information
- >on their cordless phones.
- >
- >I'd be interested if other people agree.
- >
- >
- >--Neil
- >
-
- I could not agree more.
-
- Gil Baron, El Baronvir"
- PGP2.3 key at key servers or upon request
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 5 Mar 94 16:58:57 GMT
- From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
- Subject: IMPORTANT - June VHF QSO Party
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Roger Keating KD6EFQ (keating@nosc.mil) said...
-
- >Scott, I share your dissappointment that the date changed, but I'm not
- >sure that it should be moved back to the other date for 1994. Some of
- >us have already made our plans for this years contest for the date
- >stated now.
-
- I realize this, but in talking to many hams both locally and via email,
- I have found that all but one or two are not even aware that the contest
- is currently scheduled for the first and not the second weekend! I bet many
- people have already made plans for the second weekend.
-
- >It would have been better if the National Convention hadn't been
- >scheduled when it was, but if one had to move, the contest probably was
- >the easier don't you think? I intend to participate in both the
- >convention and the contest.
-
- I VEHEMENTLY DISAGREE!! Moving either event from dates known or expected
- over two years ago doesn't come close to being "easy". The ARRL June VHF QSO
- Party is traditionally held on the second weekend in June, just as Field Day,
- November Sweepstakes, the CQ WW and ARRL DX contests have their traditional
- weekends. Many groups travel to specific sites year after year for events
- like these and reserve both the site and their schedules way in advance.
- Conventions that are the size of an ARRL National Convention are also
- planned and booked a couple of years in advance. Clearly, the convention date
- is a "hard" date, but the second weekend in June is as much a "hard" date
- for the June VHF QSO Party because of precedent. The best course of action
- for the ARRL should have been to leave both events on the second weekend of
- June. I know you and some others would like to participate in both the contest
- and the national convention, but I have got to believe that there are far more
- people who have an interest in one but not the other of these events.
-
- I suspect that the ARRL signed a contract with the convention site in Texas
- and they'd be in big financial trouble if they cancelled or moved its date.
- I contend that the ARRL has implicitly formed a contract with the participants
- in major operating events by always scheduling these events for the same time
- every year. If the ARRL defaulted on the convention contract a mere six months
- before the event, they'd pay big. This is exactly what happened to us VHF
- contesters: six months before the event, the ARRL announced via its annual
- calendar of events that it was "defaulting" on the date of the June VHF QSO
- Party, except it's the participants that will suffer in this case. The 1994
- ARRL National Convention date was approved 2 1/2 years prior to the event. I
- bet if they'd cancelled/moved the date a little after that, say 2 years from
- event, the cost of the change would have been minimal. Even if they didn't do
- that, the ARRL had the opportunity 2 1/2 years ago to schedule, announce, and
- remind the VHF/UHF community of whatever non-traditional date they chose for
- the 1994 June VHF QSO Party. The impact of the date change would have been
- much easier to take with that much notice, just as the impact to the convention
- site in Texas would have been easier for them to take with two years notice.
-
- Once again, I urge people to contact their division directors and Dave
- Sumner at ARRL headquarters and make their opinions known and ask that the
- 1994 June VHF QSO Party be placed back to the second weekend in June.
-
- 73,
- Scott WO1G
- =============
- Scott Sminkey email: sasminkey@eng.xyplex.com
- Software Sustaining Engineering voice: 508 952-4792
- Xyplex, Inc. fax: 508 952-4887
- 295 Foster St. (Opinions, comments, etc. are mine,
- Littleton, MA 01460 not Xyplex's...)
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 4 Mar 1994 14:36:27 GMT
- From: solaris.cc.vt.edu!usenet@uunet.uu.net
- Subject: JARGON
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- In article <2l3nuj$pr@bigfoot.wustl.edu> jlw3@cec3.wustl.edu (Jesse L Wei)
- writes:
-
- {stuff deleted}
-
- > Now this is my question: do hams *ever* talk about anything besides
- what
- > kind of rig (s)he's got, ham problems, ham equipment, etc? As a waiting
- > (as in for my ticket) prospective, I've liistened to the local
- repeaters,
- > and personally, the conversations seem pretty boring if that's all you
- > ever talk about. Have I missed anything? or something? Is the purpose
- > of ham radio to talk about the technicalities of it? I know that the
- > whole nature of it requires technicality, but isn't there more to
- > it than that?
- >
- > --jesse (still waiting)
-
- In my area, most hams talk about their location. For example,
-
- Ham1: "I'm sitting in the parking lot at work. Where are you?"
- Ham2: "I'm in the drive-through at Wendy's."
-
- So sometimes technical discussions are less boring than other topics
- :-).
-
- Seriously, making small talk is an art. Some people do it well, while
- others never really get the hang of it. But there are many bright spots.
- There's a lot of diversity amoung hams. If you can get past the small
- talk, there are a lot of interesting stories to be told. That's one
- reason I like HF: It adds to the number of potential QSOs.
-
- And some hams are happy to hide behind the small talk. That's their
- right. They may enjoy just using the radio. The actual exchange is
- secondary. Or they may really like the technical discussions. I fit
- both of these catagories to some degree. But there are others that
- enjoy discussing "less boring" topics. Sometimes you just have to wait
- for the right QSO to come along.
-
- Hope your license comes soon and good luck with the hobby. I'm sure
- you'll find some really great QSOs amoung all those boring ones.
-
- --
- Benjy Cline, AC4XO
- Virginia Tech Computing Center
- benjy@benjy.cc.vt.edu
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 4 Mar 1994 09:01:11 -0600
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!not-for-mail@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: QRP expedition
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- The Amateur Radio Club at Tennessee Technological University (TTARS) is
- going to be doing a QRP expedition (special events) on April 16, 17, 18.
-
- The purpose of this expedition is to promote amateur radio, and in
- particular show how lower power is an effective mode of communications
- both for SSB and CW. I hope that this will really inspire the college
- students here (almost all are Technicians) to upgrade to General Class
- and to get them more interested in Ham radio in general.
-
- We will be going to a state park that has some pretty good wilderness
- type areas with some great cliffs. If the weather permits we will be
- operating at some pretty spectacular locations. We plan on operating
- both SSB and CW with a possibility of 2 seperate stations. We will
- either have certificates or QSL cards with a picture of one of the
- locations. I hope to write the experience up for a magazine article.
-
- I would like some input in setting up the schedule of operating
- bands/modes/frequencies. The only advertisement for this event will be
- via Internet and Packet (part of the concept). I think that we will
- probably operate between 15:00Z and 04:00Z daily. We will be setting up
- on the 15th and if things go well start operating in a test mode at that
- point. So what do suggest for example for CW from xx-xx on Y meters at
- ZZZZZ.ZZ freq-ZZZZZ.ZZ freq.
-
- Due to the fact that most of the operators (99.9%) are not CW people
- (yet) much of the planned operating will be on SSB.. which I believe is
- good.. too many people have the concept that QRP is CW only and that
- turns some people off to start with..to get more people trying this...
- hopefully will be able to show them it works well on SSB also.
-
- thanks
-
- Jeff, AC4HF
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 4 Mar 94 03:08:08 GMT
- From: nprdc!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!msuinfo!netnews.upenn.edu!mipg.upenn.edu!yee@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: second letter
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- This is a copy of the letter that is the reply to my queries to the
- ARRL. This was taken directly from an email sent to me via email.
- Any typographical errors are the ARRL's.
-
- Conway Yee, N2JWQ/AA
-
- ---------------------------------------------------------
- Mr. Conway Yee N2JWQ
- 2144 East 21st Street
- Brooklyn, NY 11229
-
- Dear Mr. Yee:
-
- I am indeed surprised that my letter to you of January 28
- has caused such concern among your Internet group. I hope that my
- last letter to you was not misinterpreted. Perhaps you would be
- kind enough to upload my letter to you and this one, without
- editorial comment, so that there will not be any confusion in the
- future on the part of Internet participants.
-
- There are several reasons why the League, a publisher of
- materials for radio amateurs, and a membership organization, is
- required to maintain the copyright protection for its
- intellectual property. First, and perhaps most importantly, the
- law is that unless a copyright holder protects its property upon
- being alerted to an infringement, it cannot do so in the future.
- Therefore, if the League is ever going to protect its copyright
- in the compilation that is the repeater directory, it must do so
- uniformly, and on a timely basis.
-
- Second, the repeater directory is one of the League's
- publications that it sells to fund its membership services. The
- publication is produced, in part, because the document is a
- service to radio amateurs. Also, in part, it is sold as a means
- of offsetting the costs of the League's programs, so that it may
- keep its dues at a reasonable level for members and continue to
- provide association services. The League provides certain
- services only to members, and others to everyone. The costs
- associated with this are substantial. It is not inexpensive to
- protect amateur frequency allocations, for example. The revenue
- for these programs comes, in large part, from the sale of
- publications. No reasonable person could expect that the
- materials that make up the compilation, which cost a significant
- amount to compile and produce in any case, would simply be given
- away. If we lost copyright protection for the Repeater Directory,
- others could simply produce a similar product and sell it. While
- this is not your intention, of course, it may be that of others.
-
- Third, we haven't the authority to permit you to copy the
- Repeater Directory even if it was otherwise reasonable to do so.
- Some of the material in the directory is itself copyrighted
- material, compilations of data, from regional repeater
- coordinating entities. We use that data by agreement with the
- copyright holders. Those agreements are not broad enough to
- permit us to authorize other uses of those compilations. Your
- unauthorized use of the Repeater Directory would constitute a
- violation of their copyright not only by you, but by the League
- as well.
-
- You ask whether it is the League's position that it owns the
- "facts" present in the League's copyrighted publication. The
- directory is a compilation, and as such the document as a whole
- is protected. The League does not own the data, but it does own
- the compilation. Without attempting to teach a course in
- copyright law, the concept is that a copyright holder owns not an
- idea, but the creator's particular expression of that idea. You
- are certainly enough entitled to create your own repeater
- database, but you cannot copy the League's Repeater Directory as
- a means of doing so, and you cannot use the format of the
- League's Repeater Directory, including but not limited to the
- coding of the characteristics of the repeaters, and the
- geographic presentation of the data. The copyright holder has,
- among other rights, the exclusive ability to copy or reproduce
- the work, and to distribute copies of the work, as well as the
- right to prepare modified or different versions of the work,
- called derivative works.
-
- If you want to prepare a repeater listing, you will have to
- do what the League, or any other preparer of a copyrighted work
- containing data, does: compile your own listing of repeaters by
- contacting repeater trustees, coordinators, and the like, and
- make your own listing. Any use of copyrighted works, such as the
- MACC repeater listing, or the Repeater Directory, in making your
- own compilation, is a copyright infringement. For the above
- reasons, we have to enforce the copyright.
-
- I hope that this clarifies my last letter, and that there
- will not be any further misunderstanding proliferated on the
- Internet. You are of course entitled to your opinion of the
- copyright laws in the United States, and of the League's interest
- in protecting its ability to continue to publish the Repeater
- Directory. Basic fairness, however, demands that any factual
- representations made on the Internet on this subject be accurate.
-
- Yours very truly,
-
-
-
- Christopher D. Imlay, N3AKD
- General Counsel, ARRL
-
- cc: David Sumner
- Barry Shelley
- Jay Mabey
-
-
-
-
- --
- Medical Image Processing Group | Conway Yee, N2JWQ
- 411 Blockley Hall | EMAIL : yee@mipg.upenn.edu
- 418 Service Drive | VOICE : 1 (215) 662-6780
- Philadelphia, PA 19104-6021 (USA) | FAX : 1 (215) 898-9145
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 3 Mar 94 18:12:37 GMT
- From: nprdc!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!sy_j.pgh.wec.com!user@network.ucsd.edu
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- References <199402282109.NAA17392@ucsd.edu>, <ah301-010394145634@sy_j.pgh.wec.com>, <edh.762652082@hpuerca>gh.wec.c
- Subject : Re: JARGON
-
- In article <edh.762652082@hpuerca>, edh@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Ed Humphries)
- wrote:
-
- > In <1994Mar2.144907.26098@bongo.tele.com> julian@bongo.tele.com (Julian Macassey) writes:
- >
- > >A skilled ham
- > >communicator can spin a simple event out so that the description of it
- > >takes three times longer than the duration of the actual event.
- >
- > I don't know about 3x, but every since my wife became a ham, she
- > has taken to giving me a 45 minute summary of 30 minute TV shows
- > that I didn't want to watch, much less hear about :-)
- >
-
- speaking of hamspeak and contentless communication ;^)
-
- from my observation, usually the retired people are the experts at
- that. Yesterday on my way home from work and the usual nut net
- with about 8 people talking, and all of a sudden the two retired
- people took over and was talking hamspeak (like repeating the same thing
- over and over again each time they spoke), and then they were about
- to clear because they said they do not want to hog the repeater
- (yeah right), but I think they talked about ten more times after they
- said clear before they actually let the repeater go. of course,
- everybody in the net was trying to be polite and nothing was said
- about it.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 3 Mar 94 23:17:08 GMT
- From: nprdc!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!convex!convex!constellation!osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu!olesun!gcouger@network.ucsd.edu
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- References <9402271401591.gilbaronw0mn.DLITE@delphi.com>, <2l3360$4jr@news.acns.nwu.edu>, <1994Mar3.145941.105846@yuma>
- Subject : Re: Electric Fence RFI/ Liabilities
-
- In article <1994Mar3.145941.105846@yuma>,
- Galen Watts <galen@picea.CFNR.ColoState.EDU> wrote:
- >>In article <9402271401591.gilbaronw0mn.DLITE@delphi.com>,
- >>Gilbert Baron <gilbaronw0mn@delphi.com> wrote:
- >>>>I've got some bad interference on 80 through 10
- >>>>meter bands from an electric fence about 500
- >>>>feet away. The effect is very sharp clicks
- >>>>Anyone have any cures?
- >>>>Ned Hamilton, AB6FI
- >
- >If you can wait a few weeks until the grass starts to grow, the livestock
- >will get a few zaps, learn about the fence, and I'll bet the owner shuts
- >it off.
- The farmer will not turn off the fence as long as there are livestock
- inside. They can tell when its off some how. At least all the cows I
- messed with in the last 30 years.
-
- My suggestion is to get a cheap am fm radio and walk the fence and find
- what is causing the problem. It may very well be in the charger. Try to
- make friends with the farmer. That is not usualy very hard to do. Just
- give him a ring when you see his stock out or stop by and give him a
- hand and visit. Find out if he has several chargers and check them all
- and ask him or help him put it on the fence.
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- Most chargers have some noise.
- Good luck
- Gordon AB5DG
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